Interview. Thibault de Montbrial is a penal lawyer to the Paris court, president of the Reflection Center for Home Security and author to „The burst or the chaos” (Plon editor).
This interview has been published in French on Thursday, June 2, 2016 by VALEURS ACTUELLES
Picture by Oleg Volk
VA. You speak regularly of weapon carry for citizens. How would this change fight against insecurity?
Thibault de Montbrial. The analysis of numerous attacks with war weapons in public places leads to the following theorem : the faster the response by fire, the fewer casualties. That is why the authorities have changed the rules of intervention of the security forces, first police forces on the spot are now invited to enter into direct action and not to form a security perimeter pending the intervention groups.
GO. But before the arrival of those first forces, what could be done but suffer if nobody carries a gun inside the attacked location?
Thibault de Montbrial. First, encourage police officers to carry their weapon while off duty. This crucial step allows to have plainclothes armed persons in public transport, shopping centers, cinemas or theaters (except for those stupid enough to ban them). It is therefore necessary to encourage administrations which remain reluctant like the gendarmerie or customs, to encourage their staff on this path.
But we must go further. I advocate in this respect to allow two classes of citizens to carry weapons under their civilian clothes: first former members of the security forces, and then some citizen volunteers who would be trained for this purpose. For both categories of „armed civilians”, one can imagine an initial training followed by regular training and periodic monitoring on both the technical and medical and psychological.
There is no question of arming everyone. But applied to 1 or 2% of our population, this measure would have permanently a significant coverage of public places.
Its cost would be moderate in view of the considerable efficiency that would result in both response efficiency and even dissuasion, since the attackers would face a risk of immediate response that they could not measure in advance.
VA. Would you wish, if some people can arm themselves, that France switches to a so-called „Israelian society”?
Thibault de Montbrial. Whether we like it or not, this shift began with the proliferation of attacks that our territory is the object (16 from that of the police to Joue-Les Tours December 20, 2014). In Israel, most actions that put an end to attacks in recent years are the result of armed civilians whose intervention in the minute of the start of the attack was often used to neutralize attackers. Another positive aspect of the Israelian evolution is to work the resilience of the population : prepare for the risk, react better, bounce back. We must go beyond flowers and candles and implement a clear policy of civil security.
VA. Critics of carrying weapons use the example of the number of deaths in countries that allow it, particularly in the United States. What do you say?
Thibault de Montbrial. Many fantasies carrying of firearms conveys a mixture of ideologies and ignorance, starting with the classic confusion between the carrying and ownership. US states that permit the carrying of weapons all saw crime drop. The massacres of civilians were the deeds of people who use weapons held (not carried) and in the vast majority of cases in States where the carrying of weapons is prohibited; and most homicides are committed with illegal weapons. In any event, my proposal is adapted to the situation in France. It is not to allow anyone to go out with a gun in the street, but to significantly increase the protection of our public places, in a structured (training, control) and limited to 1 or 2% of the selected population according to the above criteria.
It’s clearly the way we should go. France count many sport shooters who are very well trained and psychologically sain.
Government just have to call volunteers, insure them in case of death and I think many of them will accept to do the mission, carrying their own pistols (concealed) as they do their jobs.
Personnaly, I’m convicted of the efficiency of such plan,and would be OK to serve population against terrorism. I’m mature, psychologically stable, already do a job in civilian public service, sport shooter with a good firearms knowledges and volunteer. We are hundreds men and women who can help our citizen, ready to serve.
Legally carried and concealed firearms by selected citizen would be a massive handicap for terrorists and a very dissuasive threat for ordinary criminals.
Legally own or/and legally carried arms are only dangerous for people who illegally carry.
In Czech Republic people who are reliable and meet requirements have the right to carry. But less than 3,5% own firearms for the purpose of self defense and even fewer carry.
When Mr. de Montbrial speaks of 1 or 2% it looks like a governmental limit. But I assume this is the natural number of volunteers in Europe who wants to carry. This quota – of course – depends on the status of public safety.
Even now with the threat of terrorist attacks the public safety in Europe is much better than in other regions of the world because criminals fear to murder or commit violent crimes. Our prosecution in case of murder/violent attack is very good. In most Member States they track down the attackers.
The fear of the people in power that nearly everybody would take the right to own or carry a firearm is not based on facts. And it is the people in power who have armed bodyguards – or own a firearm for self defense – who deny this right for ordinary law-abiding citizens.
Please read our article from January 2015: Active Shooters : Threat and Defense for soft targets
French Goverment and Bruxelles share the exact’y opposite view:
FRENCH CITIZENS NOT IN DANGER… BUT THE DANGER!
It seems, after the declaration of DHSI boss Patrick Calvar to a parlamentiary commission , that we might be on the eve of a civil war. He fears the next Terrorist massacres could trigger a revenge from honest French citizens that legally detain arms.
That would be the real reason behind the last directive of the EU Commission recommanding that all firearms be classified in Cathegory B and that semi-auto presently in B be passed into cathegory A, prohibited firearms, like howitzers, machins guns…. and H bomb!